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Mar 14, 2011, 09:46 PM // 21:46
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: The Netherlands
Guild: TLP/MU
Profession: R/
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Assassin PvE skill rework
First of I know that Assassins don't have the highest priority for a skill rework. But still I thought to give it a shot.
Second please give supportive criticism, not flame. Some skills might be to powerful in certain combinations. And if you think they are just say so and suggest changes. Also these changes are for PvE only, because in PvP this would be to powerful. The Assassin in general The Assassin was supposed to be a hard striking, hit and run kind of profession. They came, they quickly killed and after that they had to run for their lives or be killed. One of the first problems Assassins have is that currently most dagger skills have a too long recharge time (for fast chains I think recharges higher than 6 seconds is to much). That’s why most Assassin dagger builds use Jagged Strike (1 sec recharge) -> Fox Fangs (3 sec recharge) -> Death Blossom (2 sec recharge). An other problem Assassins have is that they die too easy. Mostly because players (including me) hate it to attack, kill and then run. But also because there are very view skills that allow hit and run tactics. And last but especially not least Assassins are quite powerful in PvP when played properly. Their attack skills have high damage and powerful side effects that allow to kill an opponent in seconds when the right chain is used. This is one of the reasons many skills took a hit from the nerfbat. And became pretty much useless in PvE, where killing things fast is much more important than battle field control. So I’ve spent some time to look at the Assassins skills and tried to find ways to improve them. Because the most played Assassin skills right now are Shadow Form *sight* and Assassin's Promise. Dagger attacks As I mentioned before a lot of dagger attacks have a too long recharge to be really useful in PvE and that’s why only a few are played. That has to be changed. Assault Enchantments [E] 5e - 3r Elite Lead Attack. If this attack hits strike for +10…20 damage. If target foe is enchanted strike for an additional +15…30 damage. (in PvE mass enchantment removal isn't really that useful. Additional damage is.) Black Lotus Strike 5e - 4r Lead Attack. If it hits, Black Lotus Strike strikes for +10...20 damage. If target foe is suffering from a hex, you gain 5…8 Energy. Critical Strike 5e - 4r Dual Attack. Must follow an off-hand attack. If it hits, this attack strikes for +10…20 damage, If you land a critical hit, inflict Deep Wound for 5…10 seconds. Malicious Strike 5e - 4r Off-hand Attack. Must follow a Lead Attack. If this attack hits a foe suffering from a condition, you steal 15…30 Health and this attack results in a critical hit. Shattering Assault [E] 10e - 4r Elite Dual Attack. Must follow an off-hand attack. If it hits, you deal +5...40 damage and target foe loses one enchantment any stance being used by your target ends. This attack cannot be blocked. Twisting Fangs10e - 4r Dual Attack. Must follow an off-hand attack. If it hits, Twisting Fangs strikes for +5...15 damage and struck foe suffers from Bleeding and Deep Wound for 5…15 seconds. Black Spider Strike 5e - 4r Off-Hand Attack. Must follow a lead attack. If this attack hits strike for +5…15 damage. If this attack hits a hexed foe, target foe is Poisoned for 5…20 seconds. (As a fast usable off-hand attack this skill was pretty good. But it think this way the skill will see more play. With a shorter recharge and without a hit condition.) Blades of Steel 5e - 5r Dual Attack. Must follow an off-hand attack. If it hits, this attack strikes for +5…20 damage (maximum bonus 50) for each recharging dagger attack. (This skill was able to do a lot of damage. To bad most Assassin builds don't use more than 3 dagger attacks. So increased damage per recharging skill, reduced recharge and lowered maximum hit bonus to compensate.) Disrupting Stab 10e - 1/2sec - 5r Melee Attack. If this attack hits, it interrupts target foe's action. If that action was a spell, it is disabled for 3...9 seconds. (Made this skill more in line with salvage shot so it is easier to use. Also made it a Melee skill so that it won't effect your dagger chain.) Exhausting Assault 10e - 6r Dual Attack. Must follow a off-hand attack. If this attack hits target foe loses 2…6 energy and your strike for +3…8 damage for each point of energy lost. Falling Lotus Strike 5e - 8r Dual Attack. Must follow an off-hand attack. If this attack hits, you strike for +15...30 damage. If this attack hits a knocked down foe you gain 5...15 Energy. (Made damage unconditional and lowered recharge) Falling Spider 5e - 3r Lead Attack. If this attack hits, you strike for +15...30 damage. If this attack hits a knocked down foe that foe is Poisoned for 5…20 seconds. Golden Lotus Strike 5e - 5r Off-hand Attack. If it hits, this attack strikes for +5…25 damage. If you are under the effects of an enchantment, you gain 5...7 Energy. Golden Phoenix Strike 5e - 3r Off-Hand Attack. If you are not under the effects of an enchantment, this skill misses. If it hits, target foe and all adjacent foes take 10…25 damage. (Lowered damage and recharge.) Golden Skull Strike [E] 10e - 5r Elite Lead Attack. If this attack hits you strike for +5…15 damage. If you are under the effect of an enchantment target foe is knocked down Horns of the Ox 10e - 10r Melee attack. Must follow a dual attack. If it hits, Horns of the Ox strikes for +10…20 damage. If target foe has less than 50…75% health, that foe is knocked down. (Made it a melee attack and lowered recharge a little bit.) Jungle Strike 5e - 4r Off-Hand Attack. Must follow a lead attack. If it hits, this attack strikes for +10...22 damage. If it hits a foe that was suffering from a condition, that foe and all adjacent foes take 1...25 damage. Lotus Strike 5e - 6r Off-Hand Attack. Must follow a lead attack. If it hits, this attack strikes for +10…20 damage and you gain 5...10 Energy. Nine Tail Strike 5e - 2r Dual Attack. Must follow an off-hand attack. Nine Tail Strike cannot be blocked and strikes for +15...35 damage if it hits. (Unblock able attack that can compete with Death Blossom.) Repeating Strike 5e - 2r Off-Hand Attack. Must follow a lead attack. If it hits, this attack strikes for +10...25 damage and all your non-elite lead attacks are recharged. Temple Strike [E] 10e - 10r Elite Skill. Must follow a dual attack. Target touched foe takes 20…80 damage and is knocked down for 2…4 seconds. Trampling Ox 10e - 8r Dual Attack. Must follow an off-hand attack. If it hits, you deal +5...10 damage. If you hit a foe suffering from a condition, that foe is knocked down. Mobility The Assassin was designed to be a very mobile profession mainly because of Shadow Steps. To bad Shadow Steps proofed to powerful in PvP so Anet added a aftercast. Great for PvP not so great for PvE. Now I'm not saying to remove the aftercast in PvE but having shorter recharges on the Shadow Steps and the ability to retreat quickly would be nice. So I reworked some skills to do just that. Black Mantis Thrust 5e - 10r Lead Attack. Shadow Step to target foe. If this attack hits a hexed foe, you strike for +10…20 damage. Desperate Strike 10e - 6r Melee Attack. If you have less than 75% Health, you strike for +15…50 damage and Shadow Step to a nearby location directly away from your target. (If your losing health quickly you need to get out of battle. So here you have a powerful hit with a quick way out. Also it is a Melee Attack so you can use it any time you find necessary.) Leaping Mantis Sting 10e - 8r Lead Attack. Shadow Step to target foe. If this attack hits a moving foe, you strike for +10…20 damage and that foe is knocked down Deadly Arts are almost never used (except for Assassin's Promise and Deadly Paradox) so I think most skills could use some work. Augury of Death 5e - 1/2sec - 8r Hex Spell. Shadow Step to target foe. For 5…30 seconds, whenever damage would drop target foe's Health below 50%, you inflict a Deep Wound for 0…8 seconds. When this hex ends you return to your original location. (This now is a true hit and run spell. Cast this spell to get to your target quickly and even infliced Deep Wound whenever target foe gets bellow 50% health. But the best thing is if the target dies the hex ends. And your able to retreat.) Crippling Dagger 5e - 3/4sec - 5r Spell. Send out a Crippling Dagger at target foe that strikes 15…40 damage and Cripples for 5…10 seconds if it hits, If Crippling Dagger hits Shadow Step to target foe. This skill counts as a lead attack. Dancing Daggers 5e - 3/4sec - 10r Spell. Send out a Dancing Dagger at target foe that strikes 15…40 damage if it hits. If Dancing Dagger hits Shadow Step to target foe. Your next 0…4 attacks deal 10…25 damage to up to 3 nearby foes. This skill counts as a lead attack. Dark Prison 5e - 1/2sec - 3r Hex Spell. Shadow Step to target foe. For 1…10 seconds, that foe moves 50% slower. When this hex ends you return to your original location. Mantis Touch 5e - 1/2sec - 5r Spell. Shadow Step to target foe. Target foe takes 10…40 damage and becomes Crippled for 5…15 seconds. This skill counts as an lead attack. Mark of Death 5e - 3/4sec - 8r Hex Spell. Shadow Step to target foe. For 30 seconds, if target foe dies, you gain 30...120 health. When this hex ends you return to your original location. Scorpion Wire 5e - 1sec- 15r Hex Spell. Shadow Step to target foe. For 5…15 seconds the next time target foe moves that foe is knocked down. Shadow Fang 5e - 1/2sec - 8r Spell. Shadow Step to target foe. The next time you hit with an attack target foe suffers from Deep Wound for 5…15 seconds. Shadow Prison [E] 10e - 1/2sec - 5r Elite Hex Spell. Shadow Step to target foe. For 5…15 seconds your dagger attacks strike for 5…15 more damage if foe is not moving. When this hex ends you return to your original location Beguiling Haze [E] 5e - 1/2sec - 5r Elite Spell. Shadow Step to target foe. That foe becomes Dazed for 2…10 seconds. Dark Escape 5e - 20r Stance. Shadow Step to a nearby location directly away from your target. For 5...15 seconds, you move 25% faster and take half damage. Dark Escape ends if you successfully hit with an attack. Death's Charge 10e - 3/4sec - 8r Spell. Shadow Step to target foe. If that foe has more Health than you, you are healed for 70…150. (reduced recharge, but increased energy cost.) Death's Retreat 10e - 3/4sec - 8r Spell. Shadow Step to a nearby location directly away from your target. All your skills are disabled for 10…2 seconds and you gain 70…180 health. Heart of Shadow 10e - 3/4sec - 15r Enchantment Spell. Shadow Step to a nearby location directly away from your target. You are healed for 30…80 and have +4…8 Health regeneration for 10 seconds. (Skill is mostly used in farming and that’s a shame.) Return 5e - 1/2sec - 8r Spell. Shadow Step to target other ally's location. You are both healed for 70…140 health. Recall 5e - 1sec - 10r - maintained Enchantment Spell. While you maintain Recall, nothing happens. When Recall ends, you Shadow Step to the ally you targeted when you activated this skill, and both of you are healed for 70 health. Shadow Walk 5e - 1r Stance. Shadow Step to target foe. Shadow Walk ends when you use an attack skill. When this stance ends, you return to your original location. (Just annoy your opponents.) Swap 10e - 1sec - 15r Spell. You and target foe Shadow Step to each other's location. (Could be used in some tactical ways.) Wastrel's Collapse [E] 10e - 1/2sec - 8r Elite Skill. Shadow Step to target foe. If that foe is not using a skill, that foe is knocked down for 3 seconds. (50% fail chance with Critical Strikes 7 or less.) Blinding Powder 10e - 1/2sec - 10r Spell. All nearby foes are blinded for 4…9 seconds. Shadow Step to a nearby location directly away from your target. Deadly Love As most of you will properly know most Deadly Art skills remain unused. I think this is a real shame. The reason why Deadly Arts remain almost untouched imo is because of the needed attribute split. Most skills are just not worth the split. So time for a power up. Disrupting Dagger 10e - 1/2sec -5r Spell. Send out a Disrupting Dagger at target foe that strikes for 10…20 damage. If that foe was activating a skill, that skill is interrupted and that foe takes 10…20 damage. Enduring Toxin 5e - 1sec - 10r Hex Spell. For 5 seconds, target foe suffers -2…8 Health degeneration. If target foe dies, All foes in the area are hexed with Enduring Toxin. (Most of the time degen sucks. But when this skill is used properly is effect could be pretty powerful.) Entangling Asp 5e - 10r Skill. Entangling Asp must follow a lead attack. Target touched foe takes 10…30 damage and is knocked down. (Good skill, but 20 sec recharge is to mutch.) Expose Defenses 10e - 1sec - 10r Enchantment Spell. For 5…20 seconds, the next time your attack is blocked all nearby foes take 50…120 damage. Expunge Enchantments 10e - 1sec - 8r Spell. Target foe loses 1 enchantment. For each remaining enchantment on target foe that foe takes 20...40 damage. Impale 5e - 1/2sec - 5r Skill. Must follow a dual attack. Target foe is struck for 25...85 damage and suffers from a Deep Wound for 5…20 seconds. (Good looking skill, tried for a long time to get this skill to work on my bar. Didn't work. Made the damage armor ignoring because we all hate the HM foes with way to much armor vs elements.) Iron Palm 5e - 3/4sec - 6r Skill. Must follow a lead attack. Target touched foe suffers 5...40 damage, and if that foe is suffering from a hex that foe is knocked down. Iron Palm counts as an off-hand attack. Lift Enchantment 5e - 1/2sec - 8r Skill. If target touched foe is knocked down, that foe loses all enchantments. Mark of Insecurity [E] 10e - 1/2sec - 20r Elite Hex Spell. For 5…20 seconds, target foe suffers from -1..4 Health degeneration, and is interrupted whenever you strike critical. If target foe dies Mark of Insecurity is recharged. (Useful in PvP, not in PvE) Sadist's Signet 1sec - 10r Signet. You steal 10...34 Health the next 0…4 times you hit a foe suffering from a condition. Shameful Fear 5e - 1sec - 15r Hex Spell. For 5…15 seconds, while suffering from a condition target foe attacks and cast spells 10…50% slower. Shroud of Silence [E] 10e - 3/4sec - 10r Elite Enchantment Spell. For 5…30 Whenever you strike critical target foe and all Adjacent foes are Dazed for 1...3 seconds. Signet of Deadly Corruption 1sec - 10r Signet. Your next 2…8 attack skills strike for +0…5 additional damage for each condition on target foe. Signet of Shadows 1sec - 10r Signet. The next 0…3 times you land a critical hit, target foe and all nearby foes are blinded for 5…10 seconds. Signet of Toxic Shock 1sec - 10r Signet. The next time you hit a foe suffering from Poison you strike for an additional +20…40 damage. Siphon Speed 5e - 3/4sec - 8r Hex Spell. For 5…15 seconds, target touched foe attacks 25% slower and you attack 25% faster. Siphon Strength [E] 5e - 3/4sec - 7r Elite Hex Spell. For 5...17 seconds, target touched foe deals -10...40 damage with attacks and all of your attacks deal +5…20 damage against that foe. Vampiric Assault 5e - 1/2sec - 6r Melee Attack. Must follow an dual attack. If this attack hits, you steal 10…60 Health. Way of the Empty Palm [E] 5e - 1sec - 10r Elite Enchantment Spell. For 5…15 seconds, you attack 25…33% faster and your attack skills recharge 25...50% faster (Properly will need to rework this one seeing people will abuse it to KD lock opponents. Suggestions are welcome!) Survivability Something a lot of Assassins miss. Even though the Assassin is an hit and run profession they should still be able to survive to a certain extent. Assassin's Remedy 5e - 1/4sec - 15r Enchantment Spell. For 10…20 seconds you lose 1 condition whenever you score a critical hit. Flashing Blades [E] 10e - 10r Elite Stance. For 5…15 seconds, each time you make a critical hit all nearby foes become blinded for 0…4 seconds and take 5…15 damage. Feigned Neutrality 5e - 1sec - 15r Enchantment Spell. For 5…10 seconds, you have 5…10 Health regeneration and take half damage. This enchantment ends if you successfully hit with an attack or use a skill. Mirrored Stance 5e - 1/2sec - 5r Hex Spell. For 10...30 seconds, you have a 50% change to block target foes attacks Shadow Refuge 5e - 3/4sec - 10r Enchantment Spell. For 6 seconds, you gain 5…10 Health regeneration. If your health drops bellow 50%, you Shadow Step to a nearby location directly away from your target and Shadow Refuge ends. You gain 30…80 health when Shadow Refuge ends. Shadow Shroud [E] 10e - 1sec - 30r Elite Skill. The next 0…3 times you would take fatal damage that damage is negated and you are healed for 50…180 health. (Even though it will cost an elite slot in hard areas this skill might be worth it.) Shadow of Haste 5e - 15r Stance. For 10…20 seconds you move 25% faster than normal. If damage drops your Health below 50…25%, Shadow of Haste ends. When Shadow of Haste ends, you Shadow Step to your original location. (A better Assassins dares to take more risks) Smoke Powder Defense 10e - 15r Stance. For 5…15 seconds, whenever you take more than 10% max Health due to damage from a single attack or Spell. All Nearby foes are Blinded for 2...5 seconds. Signet of Malice 1sec - 5r Signet. For each condition suffered by target foe, you gain 20 health Support Most support Assassins can offer now is as tank or by killing stuff fast. But I think Assassins should be capable of much more. Aura of Displacement [E] 5e - 1sec - 30r - maintained Elite Enchantment Spell. The next time your health drops bellow 50% you Shadow Step to the closest party member in the area. Summon a level 20 Shadow Clone that has Golden Fox Strike, Fox Fangs, and Nine Tail Strike. (50% fail chance with Critical Strikes 7 or less.) (Getting close to dying -> run away -> summon someone else to do the fighting for you -> recover -> get back into the action with your new friend. And only 1 Shadow Clone possible since it is a maintained enchantment.) Shadow Meld [E] 5e - 1sec - 30r - maintained Elite Enchantment Spell. The next time target other ally health drops bellow 50%, summon a level 20 Shadow Clone that has Blinding Powder, Shameful Fear, and Signet of Shadows (50% fail chance with Critical Strikes 7 or less.) (Some powerful defences for your weaker party members. Just a note you'll need a other party member for this skill to activate. But the enchantment is maintained on yourself.) Spirit Walk 5e - 1/2sec - 10r Spell. You and target summoned creature Shadow Step to each other's location. After 1 second target summoned creature is destroyed and allies nearby that creature gain 50 health. Utility I still had some skills remaining so here they are. Dark Apostasy [E] 5e - 1/2sec - 10r Elite Enchantment Spell. For 3...14 seconds, every time you successfully land a critical hit, you steal 15…30 Health. Deadly Haste 5e - 15r Stance. Next time you hit with an Dual Attack you take 80…30 damage and all your attack skills are recharged. Locust's Fury [E] 10e - 1sec - 30r Elite Skill. For 10...30 seconds, you strike for +20…30 damage and have an additional 50% chance to double strike while using daggers. This skill ends when you use an Attack Skill. (Think this skills has the possibility to become a great skill, but not when you need to sacrifice damage from attack skills for double strikes.) Palm Strike [E] 5e - 1/2sec - 6r Elite Skill. Target touched foe takes 20…80 damage and suffers from Cracked Armor for 1…6 seconds. (Activate before chain to do extra damage with cracked armor. Activate after for a nice spike.) Seeping Wound [E] 5e - 1/2sec - 6r Elite Hex Spell. For 5…10 seconds, target foe takes 1…10 damage each second for each condition target foe is suffering. This spell has half the normal range. Fox's Promise [E] 10e - 20r Elite Skill. For 5…20 seconds, your dagger attacks cannot be blocked and strike for +5…10 damage each time you land a critical hit. Shadowy Burden 5e - 1sec - 10r Hex Spell. For 0…5 seconds, target foe has 20 less armor against your attacks. This hex is reapplied whenever you strike target foe with an critical attack. Unseen Fury 5e - 1sec - 20r Skill. For 10…20 seconds your attacks have a additional 30…70% to strike critical against blinded foes. Your attacks cannot miss Blinded foes. Way of Perfection 5e - 15r Stance. For 15...30 seconds, whenever you successfully land a critical hit, you gain 20…40 Health. Way of the Fox 5e - 15r Stance. For 15...30 seconds, whenever you successfully land a critical hit, your next attack can not be blocked. Way of the Lotus 5e - 15r Stance. For 15...30 seconds, whenever you successfully land a critical hit, you gain 0…2 Energy Caltrops 10e - 1sec - 15r Spell. For 10…20 seconds, all foes in the area take 5…15 damage each second they are moving. Hidden Caltrops [E] 10e - 1sec - 10r Elite Hex Spell. For 5…20 seconds all foes in the area become hexed with Hidden Caltrops.All suffer from -0…4 health degeneration and take 10…30 damage whenever they use a skill. Mark of Instability 10e - 1/2sec - 15r Hex Spell. For 10 seconds, the next time you hit target foe with a dual attack skill that foe is knocked down. Signet of Twilight 1sec - 12r Signet. For each condition on you deal 20 damage to target foe. (maximum 80) That’s it folks. And as for Shadow Form. Just make it that you can't cast any other spells while under it. Problem solved. |
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Mar 14, 2011, 10:54 PM // 22:54
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Belgium
Guild: Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD大]
Profession: E/
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Didn't bother to read through it, only this I immediately noticed, then scrolled through everything and saw your suggestions:
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Mar 14, 2011, 11:09 PM // 23:09
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jan 2008
Guild: Myst
Profession: A/
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I see you put a lot of work into this and I did try to read most of it but it's late. Will need more looking at but something I noticed was your Locusts Strike. It's a bit too overpowered. A potentially perma-unstrippable-except-in-death-skill that grants +30 perma damage and 50% double strikes? Even though you popped the "ends on use of an attack skill" clause, I can't see who would mind when they can be doing so much damage and double hit kills especially when combined with things like soh.
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Mar 15, 2011, 12:02 AM // 00:02
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Portugal
Profession: R/
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About the rework, it is indeed very good but do you think ANET will do that changes? I'm just afraid that all that good work was just pure waste of time (at least you've had a good time doing it right?) |
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Mar 15, 2011, 12:13 AM // 00:13
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: May 2005
Location: in the midline
Profession: E/Mo
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The moment assassins get "nearby" range crap, without nerfs to Shadow Form AND Death Blossom spam (adjacent) the game will be even more broken. I was already ticked when they started putting nearby range on mesmer stuff. Nearby range at the start was an Ele only property, except for Cry of frustration which has in the area at a cost of 15e and 20 recharge (now it's completely broken in comparison to 10 recharge ele damage).
Blinding Surge, an elite is adjacent, and you're proposing NEARBY blind, for 0 energy and non elite status. Consume soul is an elite version of your Spirit walk more or less. The amount of bar compression mechanisms you're proposing is horrendous. Attack skills with shadow steps? I worry about Motivation (Paragons), traps, ranger spirits, pet AI, ele damage in HM. Assassins? lol. About 70+% of sin damage is armor ignoring when using attack skills, Daggers give at most 24 (33 on crit). SoH, conjures, GDW, etc. are all armor ignoring. If anything sins need a nerf: Shadow Form Death Blossom to 4 recharge or reduced AOE damage (see cyclone axe/crude swing/triple chop/whirlwind attack/eremite's attack/etc.) * See other AoEs: Jungle Strike (why does this even have AoE?...it's 10 recharge though) ; Golden Phoenix Strike (AoE on 8r) * sins were supposed to be in-and-out not "spam death blossom on recharge for 45 adjacent PBAOE" Last edited by LifeInfusion; Mar 15, 2011 at 12:34 AM // 00:34.. |
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Mar 15, 2011, 12:21 AM // 00:21
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Oct 2006
Guild: GWAR
Profession: Me/Mo
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I know your very keen on this and hope someone takes notice.
I would comment thus, its the underused classes that tend to get a rework. Assassins have already been reworked to reduce some of their power why would they reverse that. Lets face it assassins are one of the most popular classes, even with the nerf of shadow-form they continue to be used solo and en mass to farm areas of the game. I would also say they are probably one of the most overused and successful pve classes for general play. What is the justification to reworking them with a view to making them stronger. Maybe some of their skills need a rework so do all the classes I would guess that Assassins are low on the priority list for a rework since on the whole they work very well. Paragon is next on their list with hopefully Ele and Ranger fighting to be next up. |
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Mar 15, 2011, 02:44 AM // 02:44
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Somewhere far away from you
Guild: The Mirror of Reason[SNOW]
Profession: W/
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/notsigned
other classes need to be reworked way before the sin. |
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Mar 15, 2011, 03:57 AM // 03:57
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Home
Guild: En Caligne Veritas [DARK]
Profession: R/Rt
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Mar 15, 2011, 07:41 AM // 07:41
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: The Netherlands
Guild: TLP/MU
Profession: R/
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I know Assassins are already powerful players when it comes down to farming. But these changes are ment for casual PvE. No farming involved. And yes Shadow Form should be nerfed. But there are already a load of other treads about it so why should I bother. |
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Mar 15, 2011, 07:59 AM // 07:59
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Guild: Haze of Light [pure]
Profession: R/
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To be absolutely honest, most of the skills you are suggesting are ridiculously overpowered.
I like the concepts of certain skills, but I dont believe daggers are an issue. Jagged - Fox - Death Blossom is an amazing combo, and even with the buffs uve suggested I doubt would change much (with the possible excception of assault enchantments being used as a lead if it recieved 1/2 attack speed). The elite people use with it (wota) is in reality pretty crap. People run it because theres no better option for a build like that. |
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Mar 15, 2011, 08:38 AM // 08:38
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Italy, Turin
Guild: Lake
Profession: E/
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If as physical you need/want a buff, you're doing ti wrong. Meele profs are already no-brain-playing(with all respect to player that use mostly meele profs). Use heroes to buff yourself to death(spliter-soh-orders says hi), run in a mob and make it explode. Even if talking of Hm Dg like Fmaw or Exile. As Ele i HAD to run ER prot, as Ranger you'll probably run a R/Rt Sos to do HM Dg(talking of 3hero+4henc party). About pvp, Anet has already decided how to balance sins (see latest skills rework like mantis and coward...) |
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Mar 15, 2011, 10:11 AM // 10:11
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Other classes need to be reworked, while the Sin doesn't 
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Mar 15, 2011, 11:16 AM // 11:16
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Belgium
Guild: Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD大]
Profession: E/
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Assassins are powerful, strong, reliable etc. They need no rework. |
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Mar 15, 2011, 01:36 PM // 13:36
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Forge Runner
Join Date: May 2008
Location: East Anglia, UK
Guild: Order of [Thay]
Profession: N/
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If you're going to update the assassin, revert it to what it was. A shadowstepping wannabe warrior. The cowardly one. Remove aftercast on shadowsteps or make them Stances/skills like Shadow of Haste.
Kill Shadowform and bring back shadowsteps, and I'd say good game. ....No suggestions for assassin's promise rework? Shame. Last edited by HigherMinion; Mar 15, 2011 at 01:44 PM // 13:44.. |
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Mar 15, 2011, 01:36 PM // 13:36
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Las Vegas
Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]
Profession: W/E
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i think you put way too much effort in theory crafting as far as changing the assassin class, without doing your homework first.
you know, it would've been best if you had took the time to understand the state of the game, and how balance and class design works in this game, and just a general concept of guild wars, because from what i've read, it seems you entirely miss out on all of those crucial concepts. what i'm saying is, how the hell you gonna try to change something you don't even understand? |
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Mar 15, 2011, 01:47 PM // 13:47
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Forge Runner
Join Date: May 2008
Location: East Anglia, UK
Guild: Order of [Thay]
Profession: N/
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Mar 15, 2011, 01:54 PM // 13:54
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Las Vegas
Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]
Profession: W/E
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Mar 15, 2011, 02:43 PM // 14:43
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: May 2008
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Good suggestions and valid points. Much like the ranger, the sin is still overlooked in PvE when it's limited to a few good builds. Sure they have some good pve skills but the options are still limited. As people have said though, it is very unlikely for them to put effort on a class they've already paid attention to.
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Mar 15, 2011, 03:55 PM // 15:55
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Oct 2006
Guild: GWAR
Profession: Me/Mo
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Whatever they do to assassins will be poor indeed compared to the gw2 thief class.
Would love to do some of the things they can. |
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Mar 15, 2011, 04:17 PM // 16:17
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Belgium
Guild: Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD大]
Profession: E/
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Stop being bad and start playing the game, you'll notice soon enough how powerful they are. |
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